Need help with F#dim chord

[Huckleberry]

Need some help here. When I find a song I think I can handle, I copy the words and add the chord structures I'm not familiar with. When transcribing Mike Lynch's " You've Got a Friend in Me" he uses a F#dim7 chord. Well, I can't find that chord in any Chord Map. What I do find is the F#dim, yet it shows the 7th note in the map. I can't figure this one out

Any help in explaining would be greatly appreciated. As you can tell, I get hung up on the little things.

Thanks

Huckleberry

[Ukulele JJ]

A good way to play F#dim7 is 2323.

I do have a chord chart that calls that particular chord shape just plain old "dim", but they really are full dim7 chords.

You can play an F#dim triad (without the 7) as 2023 or even 2020. And that will probably work for that song, although it won't be quite as "jazzy".

JJ

[Huckleberry]

to Ukulele JJ

Just wondering about the inconsistancy. Why doesn't F#dim7 show up in Chord charts yet F#dim shows the chord for the 7th ???

Thanks for the reply

[MTGuru]

You're going to see different terminology in different sources. Much of pop/jazz chord theory is built around dominant 7 chords. So often the Dom7 is implied in chord names. For example, when you see C9 it usually means some configuration of C E G Bb D. The inclusion of the Bb dominant 7 is assumed. To omit the Dom7, you'd call it C add 9.

So you can usually assume that "X diminished" means "X minor 7 diminished 5" unless otherwise indicated as, for example, C dim5, Cm dim5, etc.

[Huckleberry]

Thanks MTGuru

Pretty heady stuff. Got to bone up on Music Theory. Just confused with what I see in Chord Maps and what I see in Fret Board finger positions.

Thanks again

[farmerboy]

With most diminished 7th chords, it doesn't matter which one of the notes is the root i.e. if it's a dim chord and contains an Fsharp then it's an F sharp dim. It's the only chord where all of the notes within it can be counted as the root (just how you play it).

[Uncle Rod Higuchi]

Sometimes I write out the diminished chord 'name' by "position" since we tend to only play them in one of 3 positions
and I don't know Theory enough to figure out what it should be called.

Gdim, C#dim, Edim, Bbdim = 1 dim (0101)
Fdim, Ddim, G#dim, Bdim = 2 dim (1212)
Cdim, Adim, D#dim, F#dim = 3 dim (2323)

F#dim would then be 3 dim

keep uke'in',

[JT_Ukes]

A good way to play F#dim7 is 2323.


JJ

This i how I play it.

here (2 years ago.. wow.. time flys)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwF68-I3qos

[farmerboy]

I don't know Theory enough to figure out what it should be called.

You just name them by the lowest note played.

[the52blues]

Inversions of the dim form occur every 4 frets (or 2 full tones). In other words if you play an Fdim chord 1212 and move it to 4545 and then to 7878 and 10111011 etc. this will make a nice effect as opposed to staying in one fret.